Mark Thank you for your analysis. It is your opinion and interpretation skills that I have come to admire over the years. I have found in my past calls to management of companies that by telegraphing specific questions and their reasoning tends to generate accurate and more fulsome answers; particularly where required disclosure is both significantly overdue, lacking, and contains glaring unreported data gaps. Zen management is dangerously close to withholding key material information, to the detriment of zen retail shareholders. Mark, I will make that phone call (again),as you have already placed yours to Sandra . Your analysis clarity and data gaps is exactly what I was looking for, and Zen /Sandra and AGO-Zen readers will know what's going on, if they're interested. I want to thank poster RW for his invaluable help in providing the Zen phone number. Peter