On the flip side Mackie was stepping in today with 5K orders whenever the price approached $1.50 so there is instituional support, but it is coming from players who are already loaded up with ZEN and and just holding up the low end and getting more cheap shares. I agree with you Scotia, Macquarie and a few others at keeping a lid on things, but the buying is low and likely only retail buying up the SP. When a larger player wants in these tactics will fall apart.