Three more guesses might be Xstrata, Sanyo, Vale. It seems like it is hard for ZEN posters to come up with 25 possible names that may make an offer for ZEN. Are some of the NDA's smaller firms that are just gathering information and are not really in contention as possible buyers of ZEN but are looking at offtake possibilities only. I tend to believe that this may be the case or that two or three may be looking at a joint venture bid. the deputy