the meantime lets call it what it is .15 not what we all theorize it should be???????????? Realist vs. Idealist, now is that half full or, well, you'll fill in the rest. It's great to see you people toss around such philosophical enigmas in light of our steady downwards plunge. Here's an easy one for all the philosophers out there, if a stock falls and crashes, does it make a sound. lol