Look I'm all for our being informed of the direction of the company but at the same tme I know that not all information shouild be available to us just for the sake of knowing. To set up anything such as we done before cost money. If there is nothing new to report then the meeting is useless and meaningless. I have been on the forfront of not being hoodwinked as we have in the past. That is my concern. Getting a sense of ones integrety is important and if looking in ones eyes helps so be it. Joe thanks for your efforts here I just hope that some of what concerns most of us has been tranmitted to Fred for his consideration.