The #3 & #4 players are spelled Kinpo, not Kimpo. And one other thing when I went back to the TI booth this afternoon, when I asked about the decoder tech, I mentioned that Ittiam was very good at decoding encryption. The guy in the booth mentioned that he knew Ittiam and that an Ittiam player was being shown up stairs. I asked if I could see it, and he said it was being shown by appointment only.