brethren, i will try and keep this short and nectar-like.  ty! to vp or whomever pointed out the latest sec file.... i've been hyping this aspect for years.... now having had the stock for over almost a dozen orbits... jb found the goods... GENIUS... had 4 props... and was diluting to bankruptcy within the next year and a half.  since the "evil empire" has taken over we added an adj. site to our baby Hay... with proven gold chicken nuggets.... very cool name too...so turn of the 19th-20th century... we had diluted from 4 to just Hay before jb left.  and what makes me very confident, is that these two guys have literally saved the company, not only with financing notes.. but as proven every year... investing their own money.... the current volume says a lot.... (20/40k up to 100k after hours for a few months, to 80/150k to 200/300k after hours) either the insiders are buying, or the notes are being exercised at a cheap price.. and i like when the new top 2-3 own 20-30% of the company that was going bankrupt.  i don't think this is just a random bar drunk talk between two rich guys... they saw opportunity, jumped, financed bet, and now it's coming to fruition after 4-5 years...  still hate the renewing of options that should expire.... should be voted on...(thinking supershares will prohibit that unless there is a buyout) should be a semi, or qtr  LIVE Q&A with shareholders at this point.... one of few things jb and crew did well... but i think during jb's tenure while i held shares, never an insider stock buy with cash, just granted stock options.  these guys have something to lose... personally, buy low sell high, doubled my position at around .05  If they are willing to go down with what they've put in, i'm willing to risk my .0062 of the co...  use to be .01 under jb, but i finally believe in the track of financing at this point. they are not just 'keeping the lights' through dilution. (my phrase btw i think 7 years ago, when i was frustrated with the neverending dilution while renewal of officer options, and the whole needy warrant fire sale)...  they only can get new loans now, with something to throw up as collat (aka fiscal responsibility). good luck Liberty 'north pipes' Star.  from the heart with optimism yet again,   go team    j