Im with you both but don't count out the value of ROF...if we could get a couple of bidders it has to be worth 30 million...we have one of best properties with VMS discovery and who knows what else...I can't imagine Cliffs would want ie HBay mining as their JV partner with a 55% stake as one example...how many gold properties could be buy in Mexico for $30 Mill..and how many boutique mills could we start up doing 200-400TPD. I know it is not a new vision but maybe one that is a little closer to reality....than it was 18 months ago.