AN UPDATE WITH DICK GUSELLA
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Nov 21, 2007 11:56AM
Connacher is a growing exploration, development and production company with a focus on producing bitumen and expanding its in-situ oil sands projects located near Fort McMurray, Alberta
November 21, 2007
AN UPDATE WITH DICK GUSELLA
PRESIDENT OF CONNACHER OIL & GAS
(From November 20, 2007)
We are in a bit of a bizarre world right now, where oil prices
seem to be hitting ever new highs and yet oil stocks are sliding,
sometimes viciously in a market that seems to be centered
around the debt crisis in the U.S., but hitting stocks
worldwide.
It’s time to go for an update with Dick Gusella, the driving
force behind Connacher Oil & Gas, the one stock that is only
about a month away from production on its massive Great
Divide Project and at least it’s one oil and gas stock that relatively
speaking, is hanging in there.
David Pescod: First of all Dick, how about this oil and gas
market? I haven't seen anything like it. Oil hits new records
highs of $95 and everything in the oil and gas patch from
Exxon to ABC Resources is going the other way. What's going
on? Is the market telling us that commodity prices are
going to fall, or what?
Dick Gusella: I think the market is telling us there is a credit
crunch out there which could lead to a recession or a recessionary
like environment for awhile until the excesses are
wrung out of the system. We know a lot of deals have been
pulled from the U.S. debt market as investors are reluctant to
refinance out equity turned into debt with the LBO rage that
went on for awhile. On the other hand Connacher just raised
US$600 million because we had a good project - financing
Algar or Pod Two at Great Divide - and a sound business plan
that attracted investors. This new capital will allow us to
move ahead with minimal if any dilution. We set aside interest
for the first year's requirements while our cash flow from
all components - conventional production, including gas at
marten creek, the refinery and Pod One ramp up and then we
will have substantial coverage and we have no principal to be
repaid for eight years. Seems like a good plan to me and we
have stress tested it and we remain solid and viable to much
lower price levels even below our base case modeling of
US$65 for WTI.
D.P: Natural gas looks like it's becoming a disaster in the
Canadian Prairies. Any thoughts about what next for that
sector?
D.G: This is a temporary thing which will be self-correcting
as investment slows down in response to lower prices, the
royalty issue and difficulties for many players to access new
capital for growth and also not find a safety valve or exit
strategy through the trusts.
D.P: It's time for a hard question and it's something some
people are talking about and that's Connacher's diversification
(or should we use the hard words) deworsification.
Currently the Montana refinery has seen very
small margins - the purchase of Luke Oil a natural gas producer
could have been done today for $0.20 or $0.30 on the
dollar and now Petrolifera is having trouble. Your comment?
D.G: I think that is unfair and reflects a lack of real insight
and understanding into why we are doing what we are doing.
Our integrated strategy is well thought out and will increase
our netbacks over being a naked bitumen producer
by over 50 percent. So with a US$65 WTI instead of a modest
netback of say $22 at the wellhead after op costs and
royalties- yes with the new royalty scheme - we can look to
something like $37 per barrel produced without the full
hedge on the refining side. Obviously at higher prices, with a
constant differential, we do even better than that. As an
aside, our little refinery in Montana was one of two out of
eleven or thirteen refiners that reported in Q3 2007 that had
higher margins that the prior year - the other being frontier -
because they capture part of the heavy oil differential, which
is what our integrated strategy is about Dave.
Now anyone who says you could have bought Luke at 20 or
30 cents on the dollar has never done a deal or probably
never will. Our major concern in heading into production at
the oil sands in a post Katrina world was to eliminate one of
the big risks of burning natural gas to make steam - exposure
to post Katrina type gas prices which would impact on
operating costs for 25 to 40 years. We are physically
hedged now which improves our integrated netback and can
thus avoid what I jokingly call the triple witch of high oil diluent
prices, high gas prices and high differentials leading to
low wellhead netbacks. Seems to make sense in today's
world for various reasons and on top of it all, we are processing
some bitumen at our refinery to get an assay if you
will so we can avoid being discounted by other refiners
when they take our dilbit from Pod One and we are also for
the moment self sufficient in diluent by using our naphtha
from our refinery. This strategy is one of the reasons we
could raise debt money in the U.S. market in my opinion and
the investors concur with our approach. One final point -
our little refinery has more than paid out since we bought it -
including the cost of product inventory - in March 2006.
D.P: I guess the big question is Petrolifera. They had quite
a run based on success in Argentina, but now it looks like
Argentina is doing an Alberta Royalty Review-type of operation.
Do we know what it means yet? And how good or bad
it might be?
D.G: It ultimately does not mean too much except for the short term - the policy removes access to improving or
higher prices. I don't think it will last too long as Argentina is close to becoming an importer of energy and then
what? Pay world price for imports - a leakage in the economy - and suppress your domestic industry? Logic would
suggest otherwise. We are still doing very well in Argentina. As we indicated in our recent releases we keep making
discoveries, we have a waterflood coming on which will enhance productivity and we have the financial wherewithal to
explore and drill and still make decent returns - not as high as we would like to see - but we are profitable, unlike most
other smaller companies active in Argentina, we have low historic finding, development and op costs and we keep
finding new oil which will become evident as we ramp up production in early 2008 and beyond. And we have Peru and
Colombia as well which many other small companies do not. Our Peru blocks look good and we have Mr. Peru - Gary
Wine - as our president. We are very optimistic about it and I bet you an Edmonton nickel that people will be salivating
about our structures and their potential as we move into the second half of 2008.
D.P: Back to Connacher and the major asset on the company and that's on the Great Divide Project. We should only
be about a month away from production. Is there anything to be concerned about?
D.G: No.
D.P: Is everything on schedule?
D.G: Yes.
D.P: You filed all the paperwork for starting the next phase for the second Pod. Have you heard anything hopeful?
D.G: We have already had our sir's or supplemental information requests back and I think our answers are either filed
or nearing filing back to the EUB. This is a quicker turnaround than before. We will start - have already in fact - preordering
long lead items to beat the inflation bug - and while we have provided for a higher budget with a great level for
contingencies and for infrastructure as we are not next door to the highway like Pod One - and we have some scope
changes - we are funded Dave!!!
The annuity like long term production from the oil sands is an investor's dream - we like everyone are leveraged to the
price of oil but we are budgeting at US$65 for WTI and last time I looked it was US$95. While a strong Canadian dollar
has mitigated the benefits of higher prices, it is still pretty good and the market can't get us down as we are moving
ahead with confidence and conviction. Let's talk again when Connacher is at $8 and Petrolifera is back to $20!
D.P: Thank you so much, Mr. Gusella!