I think based on today actually last couple months, that we are not happy with share price, that's a given. But to each their own, I told web I don't have the guts to sell now and hope to get in later, but for him it works, we don't all have rose colored glasses on either. We see there is a problem, and it's up to use stay, or sell, mangment needs to address this anyway possible. Insider buys help but not in the specific quantities were seeing (although today was better). I'm still in the camp we will come out on top, so my shares will remain tucked away for now, until I see what Teck does.