I just want to point out some of the cons are not necessarily fact but opinion. Same with the pros.

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I could NOT agree with you more!

I am not saying the cons are fact, but another possible side to the story...

I have issue when people state their opinion as fact or dismiss the other side to the story.

I make no claim to know anything for sure and am open to hear anything positive or negative if it isn't straight out bashing or pumping. My opinion on things here is fairly liquid (a few things I cant swallow like paid bashers - but anyone is entitled to believe that if they want).

There is NO doubt there are both positive and negative sides to this story. We should be able to discuss different points of view (and even want to see it from other perspectives than our own view - I want to hear both sides).

This is a stock discussion forum after all.

Regarding Grant, yes there is no proof without the recording - but can we just dismiss it as a lie because we don't like what he is saying. I wasn't saying proof there, but can we agree its possible he is telling the truth?

Certainly no proof Elmer lied either...