Regarding to Grant. We cannot dismiss it as lie. However, if it's repeated enough, it becomes truth.

I would not go and list pros and cons of CUU and in the cons column, i would say Elmer lies. He lied to Grant about FS date.

If it's not fact, why restate it?

I've noticed some negative posters would repeat it and use Grant's statement as fact.

As for what Foxy said, I've done that many times where a fellow poster here posts some sort of information they got from talking to Elmer, I got the same answer when I called in.