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Gibson's paradox
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Gibson's Paradox was the observation that the rate of interest and the general level of prices were observed to be correlated. It is named for British economist Alfred Herbert Gibson who noted the correlation in a 1923 article for Banker's Magazine.
The term was first used by John Maynard Keynes, in his 1930 work, A Treatise on Money. It was believed to be a paradox because the economic theory of the time predicted that the rate of interest would be instead correlated with the rate of change in the general level of prices. Keynes commented that the observed correlation was "one of the most completely established empirical facts in the whole field of quantitative economics."
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This was posted by Geoffrey Gardiner on credec.org on 5 March 2008 He has asked me to bring it to your attention.
'Gibson's Paradox' is the belief that interest rates and prices are positively correlated, not negatively correlated as most academic economists have accepted since 1832 when a Parliamentary Committee chaired by Lord Althorp studied the banking system as part of discussion leading to the renewal of the Bank of England's Charter. The 5300+ questions put by the Committee and answers are recorded in the Minutes of the Secrecy Committee of the Bank. The question which led to the accepted theory was No. 678, and it was answered by J. Horsley Palmer, the Governor of the Bank.
678. What is the process by which the Bank would calculate upon rectifying the Exchange, by means of a reduction of its issues?
The answer was:-
The first operation is to increase the value of money; with the increased value of money there is less facility obtained by the commercial Public in the discount of their paper; that naturally tends to limit transactions and to the reduction of prices; the reduction of prices will so far alter our situation with foreign countries, that it will be no longer an object to import, but the advantage will rather be upon the export, the gold and silver will then come back into the country, and rectify the contraction that previously existed.
This answer was taken to mean that if one raises interest rates ('increase the value of money') there are fewer borrowers, therefore less money available to pay for goods and services, and therefore prices fall.
According to Joseph Schumpeter, Palmer's argument was challenged by Thomas Tooke, who argued that if interest rates are higher than in other countries, money will be attracted from abroad and prices may rise in consequence. There is much empirical data to support Tooke's argument.
http://www.commodities-now.com/reports/metals-and-mining/4036-gibsons-paradox-and-the-price-of-gold.html
So says Eddy Elfenbein ofCrossingWallStreet.comin an article* which Lorimer Wilson, editor ofMunKNEE.comhas reformatted into further edited excerpts below for the sake of clarity and brevity to ensure a fast and easy read. (Please note that this paragraph must be included in any article reposting to avoid copyright infringement.) Elfenbein goes on to say: For stocks, we have all sorts of ratios. Sure, those ratios can be off but at least it’s something. With gold, we have nothing… [so] in this post I want to put forth a possible model for evaluating the price of gold. The purpose of the model isn’t to say where gold will go, but to look at the underlying factors that drive gold. Gold is an Anti-currencyThe key to understanding the gold market is to understand that it’s not really about gold at all. Instead, it’s about currencies and in our case that means the dollar. Gold is really the anti-currency. It serves a valuable purpose in that it keeps all the other currencies honest (or exposes their dishonesty). [MunKNEE.com Editor-in-Chief Lorimer Wilson Holding a Precious Gold Bar] Every currency has an interest rate tied to it…and, in essence, that interest rate is what the currency is all about. All those dollar bills (or euros, pounds or yens) in your wallet have an interest rate tied to it. Gibson’s ParadoxBefore I get to my model, I want to take a step back for a moment and discuss a strange paradox in economics known as Gibson’s Paradox. This is one the most puzzling topics in economics. Gibson’s Paradox is the observation that interest rates tend to follow the general price level, not the rate of inflation. That’s very strange because it seems obvious that as inflation rises, interest rates ought to keep up and as inflation falls back, rates should move back as well but, historically, that’s not the case. Instead, interest rates rose as prices rose, and rates only fell when there was deflation. Gibson’s Paradox has totally baffled economists for years. John Maynard Keynes called it “one of the most completely established empirical facts in the whole field of quantitative economics.” Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz said that “the Gibsonian Paradox remains an empirical phenomenon without a theoretical explanation.” In 1977, Robert Shiller and Jeremy Siegel wrote a paper on the topic. In 1988 Robert Barsky and none other than Larry Summers took on the paradox in their paper “Gibson’s Paradox and the Gold Standard,” and it’s this paper that I want to focus on. (By the way, in this paper the authors thank future econobloggers Greg Mankiw and Brad DeLong.) Summers and Barsky explain that the Gibson Paradox is not connected with nominal interest rates but with real (meaning after inflation) interest rates. The catch is that the paradox only works under a gold standard. Once the gold standard is gone, the Gibson Paradox fades away. My Model for the Price of GoldIt’s my hypothesis that Summers and Barsky are on to something and that we can use their insight to build a model for the price of gold. The key is that gold is tied to real interest rates. Where I differ from them is that I use real short-term interest rates whereas they focused on long-term rates. Here’s how it works. I’ve done some back-testing and found that the magic number is 2% (I’m dumbing this down for ease of explanation). Whenever the dollar’s real short-term interest rate is below 2%, gold rallies. Whenever the real short rate is above 2%, the price of gold falls. Gold holds steady at the equilibrium rate of 2%. It’s my contention that that was what the Gibson Paradox was all about since the price of gold was tied to the general price level. Now here’s the kicker, there’s a lot ofvolatilityin this relationship. According to my backtest, for every one percentage point real rates differ from 2%, gold moves by eight times that amount per year. So if the real rates are at 1%, gold will move up at an 8% annualized rate. If real rates are at 0%, then gold will move up at a 16% rate (that’s been about the story for the past decade). Conversely, if the real rate jumps to 3%, then gold will drop at an 8% rate. In effect, gold acts like a highly leveraged short position in U.S. Treasury bills and the breakeven point is 2% (or more precisely, a short on short-term TIPs). ConclusionIn my view, there are a few key takeaways, namely: • gold is tied to low real interest rates which are often the by-product of inflation [not inflation, per se]. Right now we have rising gold and low inflation. This isn’t a contradiction. (John Hempton wrote about this recently.) • when real rates are low, the price of gold can rise very, very rapidly. • when real rates are high, gold can fall very, very quickly. • there is no relationship between equity prices and gold (like the Dow-to-gold ratio). • the TIPs yield curve indicates that low real rates may last for a few more years. • the price of gold is essentially political. If a central banker has the will to raise real rates as Volcker did 30 years ago, then the price of gold can be crushed. Ends -- http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/75184/20101024/gibsons-paradox-and-the-price-of-gold-at-10000.htm Gibson’s Paradox and the Price of Gold··Text Size By Lorimer Wilson | October 23, 2010 9:45 PM EDT One of the most controversial topics in investing is the price of gold… [with] many goldbugs say[ing]…that gold will soon break $2,000, then $5,000 and then $10,000 an ounce but, [frankly,] how can anyone reasonably calculate what the price of gold [should be when they don't understand the factors that drive gold? So let me explain.] So says Eddy Elfenbein ofCrossingWallStreet.com in an article* which Lorimer Wilson, editor ofMunKNEE.com , has reformatted into further edited [...] excerpts below for the sake of clarity and brevity to ensure a fast and easy read. Elfenbein goes on to say: For stocks, we have all sorts of ratios. Sure, those ratios can be off but at least it's something. With gold, we have nothing... [so] in this post I want to put forth a possible model for evaluating the price of gold. The purpose of the model isn't to say where gold will go, but to look at the underlying factors that drive gold. Goldis an Anti-currencyThe key to understanding the gold market is to understand that it's not really about gold at all. Instead, it's about currencies and in our case that means the dollar.Goldis really the anti-currency. It serves a valuable purpose in that it keeps all the other currencies honest (or exposes their dishonesty). Every currency has an interest rate tied to it...and, in essence, that interest rate is what the currency is all about. All those dollar bills (or euros, pounds or yens) in your wallet have an interest rate tied to it. Gibson's ParadoxBefore I get to my model, I want to take a step back for a moment and discuss a strange paradox in economics known as Gibson's Paradox. This is one the most puzzling topics in economics. Gibson's Paradox is the observation that interest rates tend to follow the general price level, not the rate of inflation. That's very strange because it seems obvious that as inflation rises, interest rates ought to keep up and as inflation falls back, rates should move back as well but, historically, that's not the case. Instead, interest rates rose as prices rose, and rates only fell when there was deflation. Gibson's Paradox has totally baffled economists for years. John Maynard Keynes called it "one of the most completely established empirical facts in the whole field of quantitative economics." Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz said that "the Gibsonian Paradox remains an empirical phenomenon without a theoretical explanation." In 1977, Robert Shiller and Jeremy Siegel wrote a paper on the topic. In 1988 Robert Barsky and none other than Larry Summers took on the paradox in their paper "Gibson's Paradox and the Gold Standard," and it's this paper that I want to focus on. (By the way, in this paper the authors thank future econobloggers Greg Mankiw and Brad DeLong.) Summers and Barsky explain that the Gibson Paradox is not connected with nominal interest rates but with real (meaning after inflation) interest rates. The catch is that the paradox only works under a gold standard. Once the gold standard is gone, the Gibson Paradox fades away. My Model for the Price of GoldIt's my hypothesis that Summers and Barsky are on to something and that we can use their insight to build a model for the price of gold. The key is that gold is tied to real interest rates. Where I differ from them is that I use real short-term interest rates whereas they focused on long-term rates. Here's how it works. I've done some back-testing and found that the magic number is 2% (I'm dumbing this down for ease of explanation). Whenever the dollar's real short-term interest rate is below 2%, gold rallies. Whenever the real short rate is above 2%, the price of gold falls. Gold holds steady at the equilibrium rate of 2%. It's my contention that that was what the Gibson Paradox was all about since the price of gold was tied to the general price level. Now here's the kicker, there's a lot of volatility in this relationship. According to my backtest, for every one percentage point real rates differ from 2%, gold moves by eight times that amount per year. So if the real rates are at 1%, gold will move up at an 8% annualized rate. If real rates are at 0%, then gold will move up at a 16% rate (that's been about the story for the past decade). Conversely, if the real rate jumps to 3%, then gold will drop at an 8% rate. In effect, gold acts like a highly leveraged short position in U.S. Treasury bills and the breakeven point is 2% (or more precisely, a short on short-term TIPs). ConclusionIn my view, there are a few key takeaways, namely: ogold is tied to low real interest rates which are often the by-product of inflation [not inflation, per se]. Right now we have rising gold and low inflation. This isn't a contradiction. (John Hempton wrote about this recently.) owhen real rates are low, the price of gold can rise very, very rapidly. owhen real rates are high, gold can fall very, very quickly. othere is no relationship between equity prices and gold (like the Dow-to-gold ratio). othe TIPs yield curve indicates that low real rates may last for a few more years. othe price of gold is essentially political. If a central banker has the will to raise real rates as Volcker did 30 years ago, then the price of gold can be crushed. Author of this article is Lorimer Wilson, Editor of Munkee.com. http://www.safehaven.com/article/4800/gold-wars-gibsons-paradox-the-gold-standard http://www.safehaven.com/article/6072/when-atlas-shrugged-part-two-gibsons-paradox-and-the-gold-price |