If you used paragraphs I could say that I agree with you in your first paragraph. But I can't. I agree (not that either you or I care) with the 'top part'. How's that?

As for the second, Edgy, maybe you ought to not vent so much. You sound too much like the people who you are pointing at, and besides, who named you 'chief'? Of course, your group would but they are no more entitled to do that than you.

I know some people are whining. There are some here whining and some there, and some everywhere and most of 'em are using different names. People have agenda's and that is the sad thing. Throw a group together in a survival situation and the same thing happens. Some recognize the group as being key to their survival and then there are others who just naturally start eating the rest. It's human nature I guess.

Anyway, I am not too concerned about Patriot... and even less concerned with this board. I'd like for people to be patient but each individual is going through a different set of circumstances than he did yesterday and will tomorrow.

This is a message board, not the Holy Grail.