Virt......have to get off, but i must tell the board, that while Mac is no DP// story teller / he was very forthcoming with his knowledge and infact i thought he was probably at his best.........He was calm and really did his best to tell us whatever he could.......He has a bit of a college proffessor in him,  but i felt that he  did contribute greatly to the meeting........I looked past his lack of    CHARISMA  and listened intently to the many important facts,which were many......Yes i would hire both him and his dad........They are the real deal............Larry