Using the preferreds, no, to the best of my recollection. But since the web chat board tree is going to be shaken over the preferred issue, I am of the opinion, we need to get as much information out and available to ALL of us to make an informed decision whether or not we side with those and their attempts to place measures on the proxy.

Brian took a shot, didn't get what he was after, and then came back and broadcasted it to the public. Right or wrong on that is inmaterial to me. Getting the overall right in relation to our own personal investment is. Background, history, and education are key to me on this issue......

I hope this provides some clarity on my viewpoint......

Regards