I agree. But, I do remember reading somewhere here about 20 mil anual revenues. Then when the numbers for crossflo were delayed this long I figured that wasn't the case, Also, the numbers for the HP partnership have just started to trickle in (September-but again I read it here) 24 people on the payroll is a lot with this revenue, but then again that is why we were able to merger. If some impressive numbers were in the immediate future, then I would assume crossflo could have gotten some financing, which apparently they were not able to do. Was that because of the national financial meltdown, I don't think so, because we were in negoiations before that happened. Just another continuing mystery in the PTSC saga. I've learned to expect the worse when info is not immediately forthcoming.