Fat- Swartz was in Chicago. He sat on the left side of the room about 2/3 of the way back. He did not speak during the meeting. As for the call, I was talking with Caplan when he recieved the call. "Eric are you coming down stairs"? Hey was that Swartz? Yes. One should go to these meetings. Not just to see what goes on in the room but who talks to whom outside the room, in the lobby, at the bar, in the restaurant. One gets to see the players and the interaction. Much more entertaining than discussing Hub Leaders. I hope this answers your inquiry.