Thanks Don, always appreciate your views and look forward to them.  Bye the bye, I don't claim to have the answers.... and I do make assumptions and often incorrect ones.  That was my real point.  Regarding Probe, I know that some considered Probe to be waiting for NOT to dig a little closer to them so that they would have something of a leg up.  Again, these were assumptions, not able to be proven.  It would be nice to find a book written with a thread from all of the companies and their McFaulds tactics..... if they would divulge this info.