Ah yes, well ,as one who stopped a discertation-short of a PhD in that field of "the-modern-day-witch-doctors&q... (otherwise known as Psych) I would want to question the spirit in which you are oriented in your question... if that makes any sense... there are no disembodied ideas...in other words, ideas are all reflections of some-body( and NOT necessarily their essence)... there are NOT even any "clear and distinct" ideas, Descartes notwithstanding.... so sum4all has, IMHO, articulated his message well; on the other hand you my fine-fellow seem to be reaching......for something I know not what.......so to speak....