Don, for example, as much as I did not like the Ouch post, there was no reason to remove it. Disagree perhaps, but remove it no. The single biggest tool bashers have available is to put a chill on the forum of any kind, and Agoracom ,assuming they are in charge, seems to have its head in a dark place. If you are a regular reader of Don Coxe, you understand the imperative of the broader debate, to avoid the dumb leading the dumber. Thanks for support on this, the forum is at risk big time when we will need it most.