Rapidrob even if Cliffs is this 3rd party you are sure going way out there in your theory. What I would like to know, what will people be saying if this 3rd party deal does not come through for FWR and/or it is not even Cliffs involved? I would sure like to hear some previews of explaination if one or both of these two things turn out. The reason I question your theory is, if I remember clearly, some one suggested Cliffs appoached NOT some time ago and they turned them down(it may have even been Nemis). Anyevent it was my belief that Cliffs was the ones going aroung approaching the ROF players not the other way around.