I want to agree with Edgy OJ. And we should remember that any philosophy at best is only perfectly imperfect. It is in the "trying" and mostly "living" and "believing" that counts. I don't want to pillory because one does not exactly live up to stated belief systems. It is just possible that one group felt they might very well be left out and went ahead to be there first.

Not offended at all by your comment, I understood.

vermillion.