second option to luncheon: if anyone with web-design savy can arrange this. we can simply put up a site that has a moderator posing questions that over time CEO's and geos can answer. this way they don't all have to be together in one place at same time. better still BNN can provide moderation and responses. also Agoracom can provide this and be moderator. Agoracom individual company sites useful for this but also has clutter and no official input from ceo's. however the proposed site would have ceo input. . the whole idea is a one-stop information site promotingall ROF companies and current actitivies -particularly including a discussion from Wes and Smith about agreements and disagreements regarding formation theories and what they are after.-sg