hey baba im not trying to shoot holes in anything i just dont like the whole overly negative attitude some of the hub leaders have taken on it suck for people new to the forum or people that arent very well informed and i agree with what you said about the whole selling it as more than what it is i happen to be in a priveledged situation and understand what eagles nest really is but most people buy into the hype. I also agree if you thought you bought into the next vosieys bay you are going o have to deal with a world of dissappointment,