I take issue with you calling this forum a "Ring of Liars". I put to you that the vast majority on this forum are sincere and honest investors that want resonable profits from their invetment. While many, and perhaps most, are reacting emotionally and so post their emotions on this forum, in no way does that reflect negatively or dishonestly on them. I suspect you are making a blanket statement based on the very few who were and some may still be here who have an agenda, paid, influenced or similar. The few should not be used to label the whole forum. As for believers, I consider myself as one, we also state our views and we are all humans prone to exaggeration and error. One should not read these forums and treat the words as part of a gospel. Presumably all posters and visitors are adults and should make up their own mind with the help of at least some basic investigation of the facts. My faith in this company is based on the resource in the ground, the land hold and the potential to find more of a resource from the unexplored hold. While I do not hold much reliance on the management I do hope that things in this regard will either change or, counting on the BofD's greed, they will discover something that will bring the sp back to it's proper level. So I am also waiting and hoping for the best.