Re: OT: Trudeau vows to end FN reserve boil-water advisories within 5 yrs-newber
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Oct 07, 2015 08:47PM
NI 43-101 Update (September 2012): 11.1 Mt @ 1.68% Ni, 0.87% Cu, 0.89 gpt Pt and 3.09 gpt Pd and 0.18 gpt Au (Proven & Probable Reserves) / 8.9 Mt @ 1.10% Ni, 1.14% Cu, 1.16 gpt Pt and 3.49 gpt Pd and 0.30 gpt Au (Inferred Resource)
newbers,
You wrote:
"Well, you can belly-ache about Trudeau's plan to assist the FN, but at least he has a position"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-justin-trudeau-first-nations-boil-water-advisories-1.3258058
"Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau promised Monday to end boil-water advisories on First Nations reserves within five years."
Sorry, Newbers....I don't see the word assist in the article I read...I see the word promise to end....and within 5 years.
It is those words that I found ridiculous. I have no problem with, " I will try...or I will look into it... ..or as you put it..."I will assist"..That I am ok with. That sounds sincere and honest.
Promising something without a good study of the situation...is not sincere.
I didn't just mention the fact that Harper wasn't in power for 20 years which is the claimed boil advisery time frame...
I mentioned other factors which I will not repeat again...you can re-read my post.
Seems I'm not the only one feeling a promise of "within 5 years", is suspect.
Today this article came out....
The writer make many other points of why 5 years is not realistic... she writes:
"To promise to end boil-water advisories within a five-year period is just not a realistic goal."
"You say Trudeau’s promise is unrealistic. How could he be imagining this is possible?
A: I’m not sure how Mr. Trudeau has come up with this idea, because the causes are so complex. .......
The article is below...with lots of very valid facts..
Before you read it ..I'd add:
I've been invested in the RING of FIRE since Sept. 2007. That is eight years. There has been consulting and consulting and consulting and consulting...
There isn't even approval for an all season road to go overtop an existing winter road.
And Trudeau promises within 5 years they will get the "the federal government , the provincial government all agencies related to health, environment and, obviously, First Nations...and you are dealing with 93 reserves..!!.....and promise to get it done and we are talking about 93 communities all with unique challenges...
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/why-cant-we-get-clean-water-to-first-nation-reserves/
Boil-water advisories are in place in 93 First Nations communities, for complex reasons—and Justin Trudeau’s five-year goal to end them may be ‘unrealistic’
October 7, 2015
The remains of a Canadian flag can be seen flying over a building in Attawapiskat, Ont. on November 29, 2011. The federal government is forcing the troubled Attawapiskat First Nation to pay a private-sector consultant about $1,300 a day to run its finances – even though the government’s own assessments say the third-party management system is not cost-effective. (Adrian Wyld/CP)
Lalita Bharadwaj is a toxicologist and associate professor of public health at the University of Saskatchewan, who specializes in human-health risk assessment in rural populations. Bharadwaj co-authored a recent study, published in the Canadian Water Resources Journal in September, examining the “quantifiable progress” of First Nations water-management strategies across the country between 2001 and 2013. She spoke to Maclean’s from Saskatoon one day after Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau promised to end boil-water advisories on First Nation reserves within five years, if elected prime minister. Today, 93 First Nations communities must boil their water for one minute before drinking or using it. In some places, such as Neskantaga First Nation in Ontario, this has been going on for more than two decades.
Q: What are your thoughts on Trudeau’s commitment to end all boil-water advisories within five years, if elected?
A: Based on our research, there have been over 10 years of policies developed from 2001 to 2013, and it’s clearly shown that the approaches have not yet made a difference within the First Nations communities. To promise to end boil-water advisories within a five-year period is just not a realistic goal.
A: There needs to be an understanding that we have 600 First Nations [communities] and they are not homogenous, and one top-down approach will not address the issue. There need to be more individual consultations with each community. The population is different, the geographical location is varied, [as is] the leadership, the number of people [needed] to facilitate human resources toward the management of water. I could go on.
A: The federal government has fiduciary responsibility for First Nations, whereas the provincial governments basically manage and govern water resources. So when you look at First Nations and their relationship with the federal government, there aren’t the mechanisms that are set up in the provincial sphere to manage drinking water. So basically, First Nations there aren’t the mechanisms that are set up in the provincial sphere to manage drinking water. So basically, First Nations are left in a vacuum.are left in a vacuum.
A: I’m not sure how Mr. Trudeau has come up with this idea, because the causes are so complex. It could be because the treatment system doesn’t work, or it’s ineffective to treat the water. It could be because the raw water source is contaminated. It could be because the pressure within the piping is not allowing for the delivery of pressurized water to the house, and that would affect the chlorination process. There are a number of factors.
A: It’s an unfortunate situation. We have not made any improvements, even though billions of dollars have been put in place to resolve the issue.
A: Improvements in infrastructure, in technical ability and capacity in training, in addressing high-risk communities. Really, if you go through the results section of that paper, you’ll notice that a lot of the information is missing in whether the outcomes have been met by the plans and policies put in place.
A: In June 2014, there were 92 boil-water advisories; if you look at Health Canada’s website today, you’ll see there are 93 communities under boil-water advisories. Again, the factors contributing to boil-water advisories vary, and it is not clear how those advisories are being measured.
A: One of the big issues, in my opinion, is that we don’t recognize First Nations as unique groups of individuals; the issues around water are not the same for each community. As a result, money being spent, for example, to increase training or education about how to operate a water system may work for some communities but not others. Another example [is] geographic location and remoteness: Putting money toward a treatment plant may work for one community, but not another, where it may break all the time because of permafrost.
A: You have Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, who provide 80 per cent of funding toward water-treatment systems and infrastructure for First Nations communities. The chief and council need to provide 20 per cent. Then you have the role of Health Canada, who will monitor the drinking-water supply. But also, there are roles within First Nations where you have environmental health officers [who] may be employed through the tribal council, and who might be employed through Health Canada, also conducting water-quality assessment. And in some of the research that we’ve been doing recently, we’ve noted that there has not been consistent annual monitoring of First Nations water supply. And then, [for] raw water, there is Environment Canada. So when you think about it, water regulation and governance involves multi-institutions and is fragmented, because the individual government agencies don’t talk to each other.
A: Inconsistent monitoring, at least in my opinion, will pose a health risk.
A: We don’t have those numbers.
A: Yes, it could have happened.
A: I think it’s a real threat. If you look at the health statistics, there are a lot of young people on First Nations, and if, for example, a communication of a microbial risk isn’t provided to that community, there could be exposure to young children who are more vulnerable. Also, elderly people who have compromised immune systems would also be at higher risk.
Q: Are those data tracked?
A: I don’t have those data. I don’t know if they are available, and how accurate they could be. From a practical and logistic perspective, it is difficult to track a water-borne illness unless it is specifically doctor-diagnosed, where you see a sudden spike in individuals presenting with diarrhea or vomiting, because you need to link that exposure to drinking water to the clinical diagnosis. It’s often difficult to do that, even in the general population, unless you see an outbreak.
A: I think what needs to be done is that all agencies responsible for water need to come to the table. That includes the federal government and the provincial government. It includes all agencies related to health, environment and, obviously, First Nations.
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There is so much more to add to the complexities of getting clean water out of a tap. You need ..sufficient electrical power to run a water system so you handle the load of the water pumps and heaters, and then you can start working on water and sewer construction. This is a tremendous undertaking and involves so many...and each of the 93 locations is ....unique....and many not easy to get to.....anyone involved in this sector in some way ..gets it....and can imagine the lead time....and compound this with knowing you need to consult with 93 first nations groups......and looking at the slow place at the rof as an example..
After hearing First Nations complaining for years about lack of roads and high cost of flying in food..and having to fly out for emergency medical treatment....You'd think the east west road if offered would have already been built by now...and happily embraced. Noront would have gladly paid for the road...So where is the road?? And we are talking about paving over a winter road...nothing too complicated. And how many years...has a road taken so far?????
Imagine making this more complicated and multiplying by 93 locations.
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Newbers...I did make a mistake about an NDP Fed leader..I was thinking Bob Rae in my head (provincial in 1995 ..and made a mistake.) and lumped him in the Fed basket. Sorry.
It does happen Newbers..and I am so sorry you were so upset about my mistake.
Getting back to the ROF....if Neskantaga in particular is holding back the ROF due to a water issue that is complex as described above...it is pretty clear that this is not a 5 year job. This is a situation independent of the rof and the rof should not be held hostage if this is in fact what is happening.