Hogan, I think you are correct in suggesting that large NRE will not come from the VCSEL. My view of NRE is that it is a longer term project to develop for a specific application say in the augmented reality area or driverless cars. The VCSEL is still the proof of concept that allows that NRE to happen. I am not saying that NRE deals are not in the works, just that they are likely in other verticals than the VCSEL. Lots of change happening at Apple, maybe iphone 10?