Sure enough Macod - I've talked to RK several times and he's a smooth talking PR guy for sure. Since I haven't been to an annual meeting, but I have watched the Youtube annual meetings, I guess RK and PQ come from the same "give the mob pablum" PR schools because the meetings seem civil and Sinbob is right that not one person ever challenges PQ and if someone's questioning even heads in that direction, RK just cuts them off and ends the meeting. I know the mountain's history says that it's full of gold and silver, but without good management, will the SFMI ever have a happy ending? I certainly hope so, but I'm not sure at all at this point and like Pic says, "you have to be willing to lose it all" to find out! Khaki