I hear ya K, but I'm not unconvinced that they didn't leave from embarrassment.... but indeed there are both types that frequent the forums. As we can see, there is caution about getting in over .13 until there is signal to do so, then there will be another rush up to the next sp threshold. We have some exciting times ahead. FWR was an important move, but this next one bears even greater significance in the move ahead. These are seriously larger packages which should have raised the eyebrows of the mining community. To what extent, we are going to see.