the bond traders you talked to, what did they have to say about speculating on a speculative stock and the board (agoracom) that serves this purpose......wait a minute, don't tell me I'm not interested in what they, or YOU have to say for that matter, your an amateur investor at best, and with an attitude like yours will always stay this way. Hey LL, why don't you start your own board You could call it "Negative nellie says" or how about the "Pessimists unite"??? Thanks for tattling, I'm sure you can count the number of friends you have on one finger, and I'm not sure the dog counts. mguru