solo that is a good post, i've been jumping up and down telling people that this is a major player with the bucks to take us to the next level. My take on the heaps is we never got to a place where we totally saturated the pad to see what we could do or not do. They were pumpimg 2000 gallons a minute aqd getting a return of about 600 gallons. JMHO DYODD PB