If they have been doing this, it has been going on for a very long time now. I know that S. spoke very highly of DL at a SH's meeting--and S. is possibly the best teacher in the world of "how to skim and scam". Maybe it is going out a bit to far to suggest that CM might be in on it--perhaps he will shine some light on "what has really been going on" if he does not get his payment today. I am disgusted with this stock, but I still have some hope for what RG is doing. I don't in anyway think that RG has had anything to do with the manipulation here. I think that he is trying hard to seperate Patriot from TPL and the MMP. It sadens me that Dr. Mohlenbrock and others worked so hard on Crossflo--got it to market and now have it associated with what is going on with TPL and group. GL, ads