Cool, thank you for the civil and friendly post.

Been in that "waiting for the guy behind me in the process" situation too many times. They're late, they're late, but your deadline doesn't move, and your input is critical and must be spot-on. A fun challenge the first few times, a real bear when it becomes the norm.

You are correct about my career, though I was also a Logistician on major programs (Trident, Space Shuttle). No programming as you intend. To non-techies in the business world a "program" is a large, mutifacetted project. To non-techies in the non-business world, a "program" has Fred and Ethel and should not be confused with daytime TV "stories"! I do have an appreciation for what programmers as you intend are capable of doing. Changing the world. Let's hope mostly for the good!

SGE