"ok, then why for the last year or so, all i hear from you is "manipulation".... everything is jitney and annonomous,, here we go again, manipulation, if your a day trader then this would concern you, if your in for the long haul, then the manipulation would not make a differnce, cause your in for the long haul.. because you have belief in whats in the ground..]"

I'm not really sure of your point, but yes manipulation would concern a day trader as it often provides volatility which is exactly what a day trader needs to make money. If the trading biz were honest and based on fundamentals, then stocks would largely sit continuously in a narrow range if not at the same price until something happened to change it.