Joe there is no way that I would let your have it. I do not disagree with much of what you say--certainly that griping will not change the PPS, that is a definite. However, it is my understanding that this board is for exchanging information and expressing opinions. Some opinions are good and some not so much, some information is helpful some not so. Although some might think that I am too negative, I feel many on the board are positive beyond the predicament that we currently find ourselves in. Being positive is a good thing unless it is being used to trick oneself into thinking everything is ok so as to not face the current financial situation of their investment. No one wants to lose money--it is not easy to face. I know you and others saw the presentation re Nunchi at the SHM and Edig is working on SOMETHING. All I am saying is that as of right now, to me, it is nothing. I certainly hope it becomes a viable income stream for the company in the (near) future.