Karl, I don't know if I posted anything about RM saying everything was on target but I did get similar information from RM in a communication. That doesn't make you or me a dope.

When I/we receive information or updates from RM or Fung we have to assume one of 2 things. There are telling us to the best of their knowledge what they believe to be true or they are not telling us the truth.

If I thought they were lying them I would have been gone long ago as would many from this board. You probably would be gone as well.

If on the other hand we are being told the truth to the best of their knowledge then how can we fault them any more then we can fault ourselves for passing on what we've been told by them.

The only fault here lays with VZ.

"In early August, we got beat up for complaining that the deadline had passed and we had the audacity to expect an update"

When I read your above statement it makes me wonder how RM or Fung can make any of us happy.

If RM doesn't tell us anything people are mad that we aren't getting an update. If RM tells us the truth as he knows it either personally or through an update and it doesn't happen people are mad and question why we're being lied to.

There is nothing short of Kry delivering the permit and deal that will make people happy. I believe they are doing their best to accomplish this but unfortunately the only person who can deliver the goods is Hugo.

That is where our frustration should be focused. I have no doubts that Fung and Kry have made many mistakes in trying to obtain the permit but there isn't anything we can do about it.

I would love to know what is really going on but like the rest of you I'll be one of the last to know.

JJ