just when you think things could not get worst..here we are challenging new lows... even my tfsa contribution at .34 cents is suffering a 10% loss, unbelievable. So our next catalyst is a possible mention from Teck somewhere in their 4q wrap up? We're really hanging on by next to nothing if you ask me. At least I appreciate what this board as turned unto, a place where we can share realistic views and battle opinions with respect for one another.