Oh sorry vette I'm not disputing what you are saying, but a lot of people are placing in my opinion to much emphasis on the Laird shares, in my opinion until shaft starts production the laird shares are worthless. As far as I Know they have no other assets other than the Royalty they receive once shaft produces. I agree tecks best interest is to take us out. But judging Elmer's response about the 4 yr clause I'm not putting to much on that either.